The Jury House

"I do think I’d be in the same situation because even when me and Aaron didn’t win, I wasn’t nominated. The best things I did to advance my game socially was have actual conversations with people. And by having connections with those people, especially those who everyone found intimidating, I was able to get just enough people on the other side to be able to turn my gaze on the ones I really wanted to target. It also helped that my connections led to getting info on the key 3 alliance and helping that explode along with getting the details on who was making other alliances against me, which ultimately helped me eliminate them."

See this is where I'm finding the disconnect with Buffy's answers. How does Buffy make it to the end without comp wins when she claimed herself she was target #1 for practically everyone? If she isn't winning, who is? Aaron? A lot of people admitted to working with Buffy and Aaron just so they weren't targeted because they were winning everything. Am I wrong thinking this? Please let me know.

Btw V, DW was like me under the impression that you were close to Aaron and Buffy because they had used their power on you that day. Because we knew you were a comp beast and We wanted to reach out to you immediately but we were disheartened when the power was played and DW tried with you the next morning where I couldn’t cuz I was 100% sure you were with them and was already upset at myself for not coming to you when you nominated Syd and Big t.

My point is, DW actively campaigned and voted to evict challenge threats like me, Pedro and Natalie (who has shown she can indeed win a challenge), we were all ready and willing to work with DW in going after Buffy and Aaron. But she thought it would be a better idea to side with Buffy and Aaron, and put herself in an situation where she's now forced to go head to head in the final 2 against the most deserving, hardest working player in the game. A needless dilemma she put herself in.

I am still adamant when I say that Buffy and Aaron were beatable, and the defeatist attitude everyone had near the end of he game basically handed her the game. I have a hard time rewarding DW a vote because of this.

SpongeBOT wrote:

Cameron Van Buren wrote:

Villanelle wrote:

Daenerys Targaryen wrote:

Villanelle wrote:

I hear and can comprehend DW's rationale for throwing part 3 against Buffy, but I still hate it. I understand that not everyone can rely on challenge prowess to get through anything and I can understand why one might side with Buffy under the philosophy "if you can't beat them, join them" especially if you aren't consistently winning challenges to be able to save yourself.

But damn, it's hard for me to get on that level and appreciate that kind of play. I can't relate to it myself and I would never play that way. Taking risks and being eliminated to me is far better than forcing yourself into a corner where you have to go to the finals with the biggest threat to win in the entire game.

the last part is true cuz I’m exactly the same but with Aaron and Buffy (and everybody else we all thought was their people) realistically, DW would’ve been a fool to keep fighting against them alone publicly... she would’ve been sat here in the jury and not until the F2. they could’ve not believed her and gotten her out but they didn’t ( not discrediting any party, I’m sure it was mutual benefit)

I'm eager to hear her answers to my question, because she had me to use if she wanted. I was ready to have her back and go to war with them. There were a lot of people still around that would go AFTER them. Me and Pedro were ready to fight. Natalie was ready to fight. But DW TARGETED ME, and then TARGETED THOSE 2. She actively campaigned against Buffy and Aaron's BIGGEST THREATS.

I may not of been ready to fight because I couldn't win a competition to save my life, but I was quickly ready to vote them out lol

Lmaoo same, i would've felt bad for Aaron but I still would've done it

Ouch, I thought you would for sure go for Buffy but try to spare me .

Daenerys Targaryen wrote:

Btw V, DW was like me under the impression that you were close to Aaron and Buffy because they had used their power on you that day. Because we knew you were a comp beast and We wanted to reach out to you immediately but we were disheartened when the power was played and DW tried with you the next morning where I couldn’t cuz I was 100% sure you were with them

I spent HOURS writing up novels to DW about why it was used on me and I was being open and honest and she appeared like she believed me.

Also, I'm pretty sure DW has a brain too, Buffy was actively campaigning against me the night of my eviction. DW was fully aware of it, so how close could I really be with Buffy if she was campaigning against me and wanting me backdoored?

DW was happy to do what Buffy wanted, and what Buffy wanted was to take out actual threats that could pose harm to her progression in the game. By doing that, it also limited DW's options for ways to target Buffy and Aaron.

Cameron Van Buren wrote:

"I do think I’d be in the same situation because even when me and Aaron didn’t win, I wasn’t nominated. The best things I did to advance my game socially was have actual conversations with people. And by having connections with those people, especially those who everyone found intimidating, I was able to get just enough people on the other side to be able to turn my gaze on the ones I really wanted to target. It also helped that my connections led to getting info on the key 3 alliance and helping that explode along with getting the details on who was making other alliances against me, which ultimately helped me eliminate them."

See this is where I'm finding the disconnect with Buffy's answers. How does Buffy make it to the end without comp wins when she claimed herself she was target #1 for practically everyone? If she isn't winning, who is? Aaron? A lot of people admitted to working with Buffy and Aaron just so they weren't targeted because they were winning everything. Am I wrong thinking this? Please let me know.

I think you need to ask her if it's not clear. I imagine talking about her friend's suicide threw her off. If she's really Stacia Lang, I went to stalk her after you guys convinced me it could be her, and looks like it's her birthday and she's getting drunk. Just asking might enlighten everyone.

Villanelle wrote:

Daenerys Targaryen wrote:

Btw V, DW was like me under the impression that you were close to Aaron and Buffy because they had used their power on you that day. Because we knew you were a comp beast and We wanted to reach out to you immediately but we were disheartened when the power was played and DW tried with you the next morning where I couldn’t cuz I was 100% sure you were with them

I spent HOURS writing up novels to DW about why it was used on me and I was being open and honest and she appeared like she believed me.

Also, I'm pretty sure DW has a brain too, Buffy was actively campaigning against me the night of my eviction. DW was fully aware of it, so how close could I really be with Buffy if she was campaigning against me and wanting me backdoored?

DW was happy to do what Buffy wanted, and what Buffy wanted was to take out actual threats that could pose harm to her progression in the game. By doing that, it also limited DW's options for ways to target Buffy and Aaron.

DW and Buffy were the one that worked on your vote. I told you yesterday and Spongebob even confirmed it, I wanted you to stay. If I still had the purge room I would grab what DW was saying, but basically she viewed you as a threat to the purge alliance.

I’m so confused at why the removed players can comment on this F2 thread but

Me too Dany. You know Amy was waiting for her chance to comment .

Villanelle wrote:

My point is, DW actively campaigned and voted to evict challenge threats like me, Pedro and Natalie (who has shown she can indeed win a challenge), we were all ready and willing to work with DW in going after Buffy and Aaron. But she thought it would be a better idea to side with Buffy and Aaron, and put herself in an situation where she's now forced to go head to head in the final 2 against the most deserving, hardest working player in the game. A needless dilemma she put herself in.

I am still adamant when I say that Buffy and Aaron were beatable, and the defeatist attitude everyone had near the end of he game basically handed her the game. I have a hard time rewarding DW a vote because of this.

I can see where you're coming from. I know I had that mentality when I saw you and Pedro leave. Every time I tried to do something against them, word always got back to them! I'm sure DW was seeing this and what the result was for each person, and chose to pivot. Also, do you think DW would have a defeatest attitude dropping the Final HOH if she really felt like she couldn't win against Buffy and throw it? I think how she's been answering the questions shows that she has confidence that she truly played a better game. Now ofcourse that's for us to decide lol.

Aaron Ramsey wrote:

SpongeBOT wrote:

Cameron Van Buren wrote:

Villanelle wrote:

Daenerys Targaryen wrote:

Villanelle wrote:

I hear and can comprehend DW's rationale for throwing part 3 against Buffy, but I still hate it. I understand that not everyone can rely on challenge prowess to get through anything and I can understand why one might side with Buffy under the philosophy "if you can't beat them, join them" especially if you aren't consistently winning challenges to be able to save yourself.

But damn, it's hard for me to get on that level and appreciate that kind of play. I can't relate to it myself and I would never play that way. Taking risks and being eliminated to me is far better than forcing yourself into a corner where you have to go to the finals with the biggest threat to win in the entire game.

the last part is true cuz I’m exactly the same but with Aaron and Buffy (and everybody else we all thought was their people) realistically, DW would’ve been a fool to keep fighting against them alone publicly... she would’ve been sat here in the jury and not until the F2. they could’ve not believed her and gotten her out but they didn’t ( not discrediting any party, I’m sure it was mutual benefit)

I'm eager to hear her answers to my question, because she had me to use if she wanted. I was ready to have her back and go to war with them. There were a lot of people still around that would go AFTER them. Me and Pedro were ready to fight. Natalie was ready to fight. But DW TARGETED ME, and then TARGETED THOSE 2. She actively campaigned against Buffy and Aaron's BIGGEST THREATS.

I may not of been ready to fight because I couldn't win a competition to save my life, but I was quickly ready to vote them out lol

Lmaoo same, i would've felt bad for Aaron but I still would've done it

Ouch, I thought you would for sure go for Buffy but try to spare me .

Sksksk LOL if it was you and Buffy obviously I would've went for Buffy instead . I meant if it was just you and someone else lol

Aaron Ramsey wrote:

Cameron Van Buren wrote:

"I do think I’d be in the same situation because even when me and Aaron didn’t win, I wasn’t nominated. The best things I did to advance my game socially was have actual conversations with people. And by having connections with those people, especially those who everyone found intimidating, I was able to get just enough people on the other side to be able to turn my gaze on the ones I really wanted to target. It also helped that my connections led to getting info on the key 3 alliance and helping that explode along with getting the details on who was making other alliances against me, which ultimately helped me eliminate them."

See this is where I'm finding the disconnect with Buffy's answers. How does Buffy make it to the end without comp wins when she claimed herself she was target #1 for practically everyone? If she isn't winning, who is? Aaron? A lot of people admitted to working with Buffy and Aaron just so they weren't targeted because they were winning everything. Am I wrong thinking this? Please let me know.

I think you need to ask her if it's not clear. I imagine talking about her friend's suicide threw her off. If she's really Stacia Lang, I went to stalk her after you guys convinced me it could be her, and looks like it's her birthday and she's getting drunk. Just asking might enlighten everyone.

I definitely want to ask more and plan on it. I'm waiting for her to answer my individualized questions first.

SpongeBOT wrote:

Aaron Ramsey wrote:

SpongeBOT wrote:

Cameron Van Buren wrote:

Villanelle wrote:

Daenerys Targaryen wrote:

Villanelle wrote:

I hear and can comprehend DW's rationale for throwing part 3 against Buffy, but I still hate it. I understand that not everyone can rely on challenge prowess to get through anything and I can understand why one might side with Buffy under the philosophy "if you can't beat them, join them" especially if you aren't consistently winning challenges to be able to save yourself.

But damn, it's hard for me to get on that level and appreciate that kind of play. I can't relate to it myself and I would never play that way. Taking risks and being eliminated to me is far better than forcing yourself into a corner where you have to go to the finals with the biggest threat to win in the entire game.

the last part is true cuz I’m exactly the same but with Aaron and Buffy (and everybody else we all thought was their people) realistically, DW would’ve been a fool to keep fighting against them alone publicly... she would’ve been sat here in the jury and not until the F2. they could’ve not believed her and gotten her out but they didn’t ( not discrediting any party, I’m sure it was mutual benefit)

I'm eager to hear her answers to my question, because she had me to use if she wanted. I was ready to have her back and go to war with them. There were a lot of people still around that would go AFTER them. Me and Pedro were ready to fight. Natalie was ready to fight. But DW TARGETED ME, and then TARGETED THOSE 2. She actively campaigned against Buffy and Aaron's BIGGEST THREATS.

I may not of been ready to fight because I couldn't win a competition to save my life, but I was quickly ready to vote them out lol

Lmaoo same, i would've felt bad for Aaron but I still would've done it

Ouch, I thought you would for sure go for Buffy but try to spare me .

Sksksk LOL if it was you and Buffy obviously I would've went for Buffy instead . I meant if it was just you and someone else lol

Even if Buffy had been evicted by that point? No hard feelings, just curiosity.

Awww I missed amy and Russell though. Such fun characters to talk to

I missed Amy.