Final 3

Wow guys huge congratulations on final 3! Patrick I’m so happy you made it bro!!
I don’t really have any questions because I have an idea who will get my vote but I do want to say how can you get to know me personally if you’ve never responded to me or only gave vague answers Eliza? You’re an amazing competitor and I respect your ability to win comps but your social game especially towards me and Kam was ridiculous. It’s like the people you were targeting you didn’t even bother with. I think jury management is very important whether in real big brother or on forum big brother and I feel as if both Shelli and Eliza lacked that.

Rose the Hat wrote:

Liza, you were someone that I was going to try to take out at final 6 or 5 and I was most definitely going to evict you if I had won final POV. You gave me dark horse favorite vibes to win the game and I had a feeling you would come out HOT with a long and detailed opening. Low and behold, I was right. It feels like you are padding your resume a little bit though which is fine, that’s what you’re supposed to do at this stage in the game. I don’t love the claim that you were the one to convince me to go after Barney (though I don’t blame you for thinking that because it might’ve seemed that way). David Rose had told me about Barney trying to make plays against me a few days prior. Taking out your core alliance was mainly the reason why I felt like you were someone I could connect with knowing you had limited options at your disposal. Despite all of that though, it’s impressive still that you made it to where you are now because you were called out throughout the game and still managed to get here. Similar to Patrick, it feels like you’re making your social game sound far better than it actually was. When I returned, our interactions felt EXTREMELY base level and you were essentially repeating the same thing to me over and over again about how what I was thinking or doing “made sense” to you. By the time you started to open up to me more, it became transparent in the timing because it was when your back was to the wall. A big pet peeve of mine is when players try to exaggerate and make themselves sound like social masterminds. I would like to hear a nuanced response from you on why you think I’m wrong about my analysis of me thinking you have exaggerated certain elements of your game.  I look forward to hearing your response!

I was always aware of the possibility that you could possibly take me out. That’s why I said it was a gamble, and although it ended up paying off, I’m aware it could’ve gone differently.

The final HOH and POV for example, were interesting because Shelli winning both the HOH and POV was actually a blessing in disguise for me, since that left Patrick as the deciding vote. What ended up happening was probably the second best scenario, other than me winning the HOH or the POV myself. IMO, both you and Shelli would’ve evicted me over Patrick if given a chance, since I was clearly perceived to be more of a threat than Patrick.

When we discussed which one we should vote to evict between Patrick and David, you said “Who do you think would be the biggest jury threat?” and that was the moment when I realized that you actually had no interest in honoring the final 2 deal I tried to propose. Because if you were gonna take me to the final 2, that factor shouldn’t have been relevant to you at all.

I don’t think I exaggerated anything in my speech. I don’t think our interactions were “base level” at all when you came back. If you go back in our private room to the point when you came back, you will see me messaging you, talking to you about how excited I was that you were back, how I wanted to work with you, how I was targeting Klaus, all of that... I wouldn’t call that “base level” to be honest with you. And I was saying all of that because I was trying to see how you’d react to what I say. If you weren’t aligned with Klaus/Kam/David/Barney, you would’ve bit, because coming back, you clearly needed an ally to reestablish yourself in the house. If you were alone in the game, you would’ve been desperate to grasp anything I threw at you to gain an ally. But you never bit, meaning you never really reacted to anything I said in a substantial way.

When I said “That makes sense”, that was a response to you telling me that you voted to keep Barney over Bea, which to me confirmed my growing suspicion that you were indeed working with the other side of the house. That’s why I said “That makes sense” because I couldn’t think of anything else to say after you basically openly admitted to me that you weren’t with me despite my attempts.

I tried a more blatant approach when I won the HOH, not necessarily because my back was to the wall, but because that’s when I actually had power in this game. And I find that when you have power in this game, people are more likely to listen to you and do what you say. I could’ve easily put you up or backdoored you that round, and you knew that. Telling you the same things when I wasn’t the HOH, wouldn’t have had the same effect for that reason.

Elizaveta Tuktamysheva wrote:

Rose the Hat wrote:

Liza, you were someone that I was going to try to take out at final 6 or 5 and I was most definitely going to evict you if I had won final POV. You gave me dark horse favorite vibes to win the game and I had a feeling you would come out HOT with a long and detailed opening. Low and behold, I was right. It feels like you are padding your resume a little bit though which is fine, that’s what you’re supposed to do at this stage in the game. I don’t love the claim that you were the one to convince me to go after Barney (though I don’t blame you for thinking that because it might’ve seemed that way). David Rose had told me about Barney trying to make plays against me a few days prior. Taking out your core alliance was mainly the reason why I felt like you were someone I could connect with knowing you had limited options at your disposal. Despite all of that though, it’s impressive still that you made it to where you are now because you were called out throughout the game and still managed to get here. Similar to Patrick, it feels like you’re making your social game sound far better than it actually was. When I returned, our interactions felt EXTREMELY base level and you were essentially repeating the same thing to me over and over again about how what I was thinking or doing “made sense” to you. By the time you started to open up to me more, it became transparent in the timing because it was when your back was to the wall. A big pet peeve of mine is when players try to exaggerate and make themselves sound like social masterminds. I would like to hear a nuanced response from you on why you think I’m wrong about my analysis of me thinking you have exaggerated certain elements of your game.  I look forward to hearing your response!

I was always aware of the possibility that you could possibly take me out. That’s why I said it was a gamble, and although it ended up paying off, I’m aware it could’ve gone differently.

The final HOH and POV for example, were interesting because Shelli winning both the HOH and POV was actually a blessing in disguise for me, since that left Patrick as the deciding vote. What ended up happening was probably the second best scenario, other than me winning the HOH or the POV myself. IMO, both you and Shelli would’ve evicted me over Patrick if given a chance, since I was clearly perceived to be more of a threat than Patrick.

When we discussed which one we should vote to evict between Patrick and David, you said “Who do you think would be the biggest jury threat?” and that was the moment when I realized that you actually had no interest in honoring the final 2 deal I tried to propose. Because if you were gonna take me to the final 2, that factor shouldn’t have been relevant to you at all.

I don’t think I exaggerated anything in my speech. I don’t think our interactions were “base level” at all when you came back. If you go back in our private room to the point when you came back, you will see me messaging you, talking to you about how excited I was that you were back, how I wanted to work with you, how I was targeting Klaus, all of that... I wouldn’t call that “base level” to be honest with you. And I was saying all of that because I was trying to see how you’d react to what I say. If you weren’t aligned with Klaus/Kam/David/Barney, you would’ve bit, because coming back, you clearly needed an ally to reestablish yourself in the house. If you were alone in the game, you would’ve been desperate to grasp anything I threw at you to gain an ally. But you never bit, meaning you never really reacted to anything I said in a substantial way.

When I said “That makes sense”, that was a response to you telling me that you voted to keep Barney over Bea, which to me confirmed my growing suspicion that you were indeed working with the other side of the house. That’s why I said “That makes sense” because I couldn’t think of anything else to say after you basically openly admitted to me that you weren’t with me despite my attempts.

I tried a more blatant approach when I won the HOH, not necessarily because my back was to the wall, but because that’s when I actually had power in this game. And I find that when you have power in this game, people are more likely to listen to you and do what you say. I could’ve easily put you up or backdoored you that round, and you knew that. Telling you the same things when I wasn’t the HOH, wouldn’t have had the same effect for that reason.

Thank you for the response!! <333

Good game, Liza xo

Klaus Hargreeves wrote:

Wow guys huge congratulations on final 3! Patrick I’m so happy you made it bro!!
I don’t really have any questions because I have an idea who will get my vote but I do want to say how can you get to know me personally if you’ve never responded to me or only gave vague answers Eliza? You’re an amazing competitor and I respect your ability to win comps but your social game especially towards me and Kam was ridiculous. It’s like the people you were targeting you didn’t even bother with. I think jury management is very important whether in real big brother or on forum big brother and I feel as if both Shelli and Eliza lacked that.

I've never claimed to know you personally, Klaus.
In fact, in my speech, I even said "I feel like I didn't really get to know you as a person, only as a player, and that's unfortunate."
I actually remember having a lot of pleasant conversations with you at the beginning of the game, but unfortunately, that never turned into a game relationship.
I always tried to respond to you as much as I could, except when you told me "You better pray I don't win the POV" because I wasn't sure how to respond to that.
You also told me you didn't want my veto, said I was the fakest person in the house, as well as that I was the dumbest person.
It seemed to me like at that point, unfortunately, you'd already made up your mind that you hated me.
I gave vague answers because I felt as though you were interrogating me, not because you were interested in working with me, but because you could use the info to throw me under the bus, or further yourself in the game, which is a totally valid strategy in Big Brother.
But that doesn't mean that I felt like giving you solid answers was something that would've been beneficial for my game.

Elizaveta Tuktamysheva wrote:

Klaus Hargreeves wrote:

Wow guys huge congratulations on final 3! Patrick I’m so happy you made it bro!!
I don’t really have any questions because I have an idea who will get my vote but I do want to say how can you get to know me personally if you’ve never responded to me or only gave vague answers Eliza? You’re an amazing competitor and I respect your ability to win comps but your social game especially towards me and Kam was ridiculous. It’s like the people you were targeting you didn’t even bother with. I think jury management is very important whether in real big brother or on forum big brother and I feel as if both Shelli and Eliza lacked that.

I've never claimed to know you personally, Klaus.
In fact, in my speech, I even said "I feel like I didn't really get to know you as a person, only as a player, and that's unfortunate."
I actually remember having a lot of pleasant conversations with you at the beginning of the game, but unfortunately, that never turned into a game relationship.
I always tried to respond to you as much as I could, except when you told me "You better pray I don't win the POV" because I wasn't sure how to respond to that.
You also told me you didn't want my veto, said I was the fakest person in the house, as well as that I was the dumbest person.
It seemed to me like at that point, unfortunately, you'd already made up your mind that you hated me.
I gave vague answers because I felt as though you were interrogating me, not because you were interested in working with me, but because you could use the info to throw me under the bus, or further yourself in the game, which is a totally valid strategy in Big Brother.
But that doesn't mean that I felt like giving you solid answers was something that would've been beneficial for my game.

I honestly got nothing from you even in the beginning. Even when I asked you why you nominated me and Kam, you were still very vague. I felt like you hated me for some odd reason I couldn’t figure it out. Obviously I’m gonna get frustrated and say things when you’re targeting me but not giving me anything. But thanks for the response! Good luck all.

Patrick, i would prefer death than voting for u!

Shelly, i came here 100% voting for u.

Liza, i came here also preferring death than voting for u. But your answer is making me think twice. I liked how u didnt make excuses and confirmed that i told the truth.

So...
Patrick, F u.
Liza and shells, why I(momo from the house yip yip) should vote for u?

Hey Final 3! Congrats on making it there. I don’t really have questions but I have a couple things to say.

To Liza: I think out of everyone you had the most transparent social game. And I mean that in a way that conversations with you always felt like I was being “worked”. I was going to put your group up but I didn’t not because of you but because of Hayley. I could tell Hayley was chaotic and I didn’t want to deal with her calling me out on the public thread so early. You knew me and Klaus were close but it didn’t stop you from basically copying and pasting to us the same messages. Me and Klaus compared notes on literally all our conversations with others and it’s amazing how much of that was going on. You put two people up and never bothered to message them and at least attempt to soften the blow of the nomination. At final 6 you messaged me about the Patrick vote and didn’t even bother to address the fact that you nominated me TWICE. You just tried to start a brand new conversation with me Your name was constantly going around in numerous alliances and your target was exposed before you even got to make your move. I think you’re a nice girl but your social game wasn’t as great as you thought it was and Jury management was basically non existent.

To Shelli: Your copying and pasting game was strong too. You did the same thing you did to me to Klaus. Told us you were keeping us and immediately evicted us to the Jury. Why would anyone blindside two jury members. When I was put up, you said to me without me asking “Even if you don’t win the veto, you have my vote guaranteed” then immediately proceed to vote me out and then spill your whole game to me after blindsiding me lmaooo of course I was going to tell everyone. The worst jury management and game move.

To Patrick: I think you’re the underdog in this final three because you have less comp wins. I’m sorry but who had the ability to type the fastest and have the best internet connection should not determine who wins this game. I saw first hand how amazing you were at this game. What you don’t know is when me and Klaus decided to form 6 pack we decided we would each pick someone we felt good about. Klaus and I both agreed on Ariana because we had both talked to her a lot but we needed to have our individual picks. Klaus picked Riku and I picked you. I had just won the first HOH and had conversations with pretty much the whole cast but out of everyone that talked to me, you were someone I was completely sold on. In that moment, I knew you were going to go far in this game. You have flawlessly connected with people and your name was rarely ever brought up as a target. Momo called you out and could have ruined your game but you flawlessly navigated that and somehow managed to take the spotlight off you. Unlike the others who won to protect themselves, you had social relationships with people who protected you. I’ve always said it’s harder to get someone to do something for you than it is to just do it yourself. You didn’t use that veto on me but unlike the others you were able to make me feel good about your decision not to save me. Now that to me is a GREAT social game.

I think all three of you are great people and should be immensely proud of making it this far <3

[quote="Rose the Hat"]

Shelli, one thing that impresses me about you was your brazen approach to going after me. You were fearless with just nominating me straight up several times and didn’t even bother trying to backdoor me. There’s a boldness in that and I kind of love it. You were also one of the few people who didn’t really try to make a deal with me upon my return. I was so used to everyone scrambling and trying to rekindle shit with me because they were afraid of me going after them. It took me by surprise that you didn’t attempt anything like that with me. It’s not a bad thing and again, I kind of like that in a weird way. There’s a realness to it that I found lacking in almost every other person. I just want to know your reasoning for not trying to be a little more social with me and I’m curious about why I was such a constant target. How much of a threat did you consider me to be? One of my main arguments was that I was already evicted at one point in the game and it would probably be a hard sell for me to convince a jury to vote for me. What exactly made you see through that argument and want me out anyway (Especially at final 4)? It also felt like you needed to win a bunch of challenges at the end of the game, especially the last few HOH’s you won to survive. You have no idea how many times I’ve seen jurors give finalists total shit for being at the end because they won a bunch of challenges down the stretch. I’d love to hear from you on if you agree with that philosophy that jurors often have. Should you still win the game even though you would have likely been evicted if you didn’t win a bunch of challenges down the stretch at the end there? I look forward to hearing your response!

Hi rose!! thank you for your question!! I want to start off by saying i never intended to be fake in this game, sometimes i ended up being fake and i own that, but it wasn't my intention. When you came back, I had pretty decent relationships with everyone and you were someone that i had been apart of their original backdoor with my use of the POV. You won Six power of vetoes and you weren't even in the game the entire time, your competition strength is what scared the hell out of me the entire time. I knew when you came back that you were my target, and so while we talked briefly about votes and such i did not want to make any deals with you because i knew was going to break them. Another reason i wanted you out was i thought a lot of the people had ill will against the rest of us in the final four, but nobody left yelling at you or upset with you from my knowledge so i truly thought you'd sweep us in the end.

To the second point, I don't truly know where i would have been if i hadn't won those last 3 HOHs it all would have truly depended on. Eliza also had two back to back HOHs in between me and i stayed safe throughout hers because of the connection we had made so i think my safety would have came down to who won each week. I think me staying unanimously on the block against Danielle speaks to that and so im not sure that i would have went home at 7 or 5 when i won. Either way, i'm proud of the competitions that i won because y'all were some tough ass competition and it was not easy at all.

I hope this answers your questions and it was great playing with you!

Kam wrote:

Hey Final 3! Congrats on making it there. I don’t really have questions but I have a couple things to say.

To Shelli: Your copying and pasting game was strong too. You did the same thing you did to me to Klaus. Told us you were keeping us and immediately evicted us to the Jury. Why would anyone blindside two jury members. When I was put up, you said to me without me asking “Even if you don’t win the veto, you have my vote guaranteed” then immediately proceed to vote me out and then spill your whole game to me after blindsiding me lmaooo of course I was going to tell everyone. The worst jury management and game move.

I think all three of you are great people and should be immensely proud of making it this far <3

Hi Kam!!

I want to start off by saying I truly wanted to go far with you in this game but i had also said the same thing to David and meant it as well so i got caught up when the veto was not used to save one of you. I should not have said anything before that because it ended up not working out so i completely agree with you being upset and i shouldn't have done that.

In terms of Klaus, when he was on the block next to you that second time he asked me to vote him out. I was truly confused but never promised him a vote or anything. The first time around, prejury, i did tell Klaus i had his back but you were on the block and i had no intentions of voting you out. I only said this on the off chance that he stayed but once he came back i apologized and told him i would be truthful with what i was doing and i think i did that.

Finally, i spilled my game to you because i truly felt bad about the eviction. I went back and forth the whole time and felt like i owed you an explanation wether it got blown up or not. And i do believe that it lit a fire under my a** and helped me win some competitions so theres no hard feelings on my end and once again i apologize for my poor management and speaking too soon before i 100% knew where my head was at.

Thanks for the question Kam!

Momo wrote:

Liza, i came here also preferring death than voting for u. But your answer is making me think twice. I liked how u didnt make excuses and confirmed that i told the truth.
Liza and shells, why I(momo from the house yip yip) should vote for u?

I think you should vote for me, because out of the 3 finalists sitting here, your game impacted my journey the most.
When you exposed me in week 7 before you got evicted, you forced me to rethink my strategy, and that was the turning point for my game.
From that point on, I started playing a little more aggressively.
And that was all because of you, Momo.
Without you, I may not even be sitting here right now.
You were iconic in this game, and that iconicness ended up pushing me to become a better player.
At the time, I was mad, but in retrospect, you exposing me might've been necessary for me to get to this point.
So for that, I think you should vote for me, so that your legacy can live in me as a winner

(PS Also... RedTeam4evah!!! XD)

Momo wrote:

Patrick, i would prefer death than voting for u!

Shelly, i came here 100% voting for u.

Liza, i came here also preferring death than voting for u. But your answer is making me think twice. I liked how u didnt make excuses and confirmed that i told the truth.

So...
Patrick, F u.
Liza and shells, why I(momo from the house yip yip) should vote for u?

Hey Momo!

We only spoke in private messages not a room so i cant go back and make sure this is right, but i think the week that you left i told you that the votes weren't there. When you made the Party Patrol alliance i was told by a few of them that they would not be saving you that week so there was nothing that i could do. I think you should vote for me because I had the hardest fight to get here. I was nominated week one because of the twist after thinking i was good with Kam. I won a veto to save myself the second time i was nominated but the other two times i stayed with 0 votes against me the entire game. I also won crucial hohs at the end and the final veto to take out my target who i thought was the threat to win, Rose. ALSO, you should vote for me because Yip Yip. thank u momo <3

congrats on f3 I have a question for both Patrick and Liza

Patrick at the F6 you had a chance to make the biggest move of the season split up the trio of Liza/Shelli/Rose from what i've heard from the jury your social bonds with David and Kam would of carried you through to the final as well and pulling one of them down would have been a baller move

to Liza if Patrick used the veto at F6 who would you have put up and why?

Kam wrote:

You put two people up and never bothered to message them and at least attempt to soften the blow of the nomination.

The first HOH that I won was a competition where we had to submit our answers as well as noms at the same time.
When the hosts announced that I won the HOH, I didn't even know when the noms were gonna be announced.
That HOH was different, and worked very differently, time-wise.
That's why I didn't give you a heads up. 
Not because I didn't think about softening the blow, but simply because of how the HOH competition worked.
I didn't have time to consider my noms or go talk to the people I was nominating.
As soon as I submitted my answers, I already submitted my noms too, because that's how the comp worked.
Otherwise, I would've definitely given you a heads up, and you definitely deserved one.
So for that, I am sorry.

The second and third time I won the HOH, I didn't give you a heads up either because I didn't do that the first time, and also at that point, I thought it was obvious.
But in retrospect, I still should've and could've given you a heads up.

Elizaveta Tuktamysheva wrote:

Kam wrote:

You put two people up and never bothered to message them and at least attempt to soften the blow of the nomination.

The first HOH that I won was a competition where we had to submit our answers as well as noms at the same time.
When the hosts announced that I won the HOH, I didn't even know when the noms were gonna be announced.
That HOH was different, and worked very differently, time-wise.
That's why I didn't give you a heads up. 
Not because I didn't think about softening the blow, but simply because of how the HOH competition worked.
I didn't have time to consider my noms or go talk to the people I was nominating.
As soon as I submitted my answers, I already submitted my noms too, because that's how the comp worked.
Otherwise, I would've definitely given you a heads up, and you definitely deserved one.
So for that, I am sorry.

The second and third time I won the HOH, I didn't give you a heads up either because I didn't do that the first time, and also at that point, I thought it was obvious.
But in retrospect, I still should've and could've given you a heads up.

I wasn’t referring to just getting a heads up. You nominated two people and one of them was going to stay. You never attempted to reach out and say “oh btw you weren’t my target” or something along those lines. Just to make them feel better about the nomination. I had to nominate six people when I was HOH and was able to reach out and soften the blow. Understanding that we would be on the Jury and blatantly ignoring us is very confusing to me.

Im voting for liza. Good luck guys